I kinda miss the days when you could like something or hang around someone without having to agree with 100% of whatever insane ideology they have memorized or else they hate you…

It's only on shithole sites.

Please don't read "you" here as you, but I still think the "pronouns" thing is a good idea at its core, no matter what extreme haters or proponents do.

Like, I meet you for the first time, you tell me you're Karl Marx, right? Calling you Friedrich Engels because I decided that fits you better is madness... yes? If your family name is Dungbeetle and your given name is Shitfuck, at some point of life you will consider the two obvious options - change your name or shoot yourself... true? Well then if anyone agrees with this, and I'd like to think most would do, seems to me pronouns fit the same logic.

As long as you don't confuse farting noises like "womxn" or "humxn" with words that actually exist - just like those fucking bibibytes - then I think being able to select your pronoun and respecting when someone tells you their pronoun is on the same level as using their correct name. Might feel weird for me to call you "it", but I'd still yell "Shitfuck!" at the top of my lungs if that was the name of my little brother who got lost on the subway... please don't tell me people named Shitfuck exist.

I’m never calling someone they, them, or it. Fuck that. If they look like a he or a she then if they get offended they can live with my ignorance. In some cultures, such as that of Spain, it’s even a term of respect to say señor or señora depending on the sex/gender of the person you’re talking to. I don’t want language to be bastardized in the name of a short-lived sociological fad.

Otherwise, one should be careful not to stereotype, but dude, people call me “he” and “him” and I don’t give a fuck if it describes me perfectly. They are right to assume I’m a man, because I look like one.

Pronouns were not used to mess vocabulary and lgbt fuckery.
It's a old internet thing, like state your country or stats or whatnot, which you can come up with anything creative.

Hold up, I'm not saying "they" should override "he" and "him".

Ok, I'll be specific - without any context and knowing what someone looks like, I will say "he" or "him" based on what I see, nothing changes here. If I have absolutely no idea who the person I'm talking about is, I will use "they". E.g., a manual saying "if the user wants to start the machine, they must press this button". If I meet someone, talk to that person, and that person will tell me to use "it" - I will use "it", even if this still feels weird to me. But I'm not obliged to read everyone's bio on Twitter, go apeshit on me that I didn't respect your Twitter bio and I'll probably just block you.

As for singular they, this is nothing new, and I find pretty useful, not just with LGBT+ but simply as a catchall and replacement for the He/She construction.

Singular they, along with its inflected or derivative forms, them, their, theirs, and themselves (also themself and theirself), is a gender-neutral third-person pronoun. ... This use of singular they had emerged by the 14th century, about a century after the plural they.


I draw a line at existing words, mostly. Feel free to pick "he", "she", "they" or "it" but no "humxn". And I have other limits I mentioned above. Although "it" feels very weird, considering you can use "they".

But yeah, sometimes it does feel like people write "Jedi" as religion.

I still don’t follow. As for people’s given names, there is no further proof of my point than that. None of us choose what we want to be called at birth. Somehow, we still get through the day untraumatized. That’s probably because we understand that names are just approximate descriptions of who we are, and not exact objects for identification. It would be very difficult to interact with others if we had no names, and the only people who insist on being called who they are regardless of titles are spiritual punjabs who want to con your white ass for want of hard cash.

Maybe I’m just of a different generation that never confronted these issues, or outright never acknowledged their existence, but I can’t help but look on at young people today and just sense that they’re… misguided. Lost, maybe? Like, they don’t really believe this stuff, but they’re just on a painful search for existential validation and identity, which is something very common to happen in your teens and twenties. Again, maybe it’s just age, but I don’t know. I have my doubts about that. You guys are too miserable for a people so young, or maybe you’re too young to be that miserable. I do not know.


Like I said, it has entered the local culture where I and others live. Maybe not everywhere, but it’s definitely a real phenomenon in more progressive parts of the world.

It's in US and sometimes UK, but even then it's still a minority of people who are ultra leftists or alt-right. Few of the western Europe does has the same issues and leeks ameribooism, even then it's so small that I don't even notice these type of people outside of some mission places i.e some McDonalds location.

But people do change their names when they hate them. Elon Moscow has a kid who changed her (?) name because she wants nothing to do with him. They also have a boy named "X AE A-XII", I'm pretty sure he will run to the name-change office first day he can. After WWII, people named Adolf Something or Something Hitler changed their name en masse, probably the same happend to people named Eva Braun and every other unlucky nazi namesake. And every one of us here chose their nickname which everyone respects without a second thought.

Just to be clear, this isn't really about compassion, that's just a small byproduct. The main reason I support limited choice of pronouns (which you must tell me if you expect me to use them) is simply the fact I see no reason why someone shouldn't be able to explicitly change their pronoun, while the implicit pronoun is used in all cases without further context. You know what I mean, roughly? Try giving me a reason why a person shouldn't be able to ask me to refer to that person as "it", one that isn't based on my emotions, opinions, personal taste, etc. Pure objective reason against this? The only reason I can think of is that using "it" is weird. That sure isn't objective, that's me demanding others "not to be weird", with me being the judge of "weirdness" to boot.

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Now the other part, plenty of things I can agree with. The internet-bound part of GenZ and GenAlpha (let's not pretend there isn't plenty of <13yo internet users) seems to be very fragile, lost and confused. I also see a lot of these "circles of protection" - holding hands, patting each other's back, agreeing with each other, but not because they really agree, or even understand the problem - and these can often make any attempts at a goal-motivated, adult conversation impossible. Hard to judge, but my generation's early inexperienced ideas and solutions seem retrospectively less naive and short-sighted than the same of GenZ and GenAlpha. Could be just optics though, everything is visible now and this wasn't the case before. Still, we seem more... "adventurous" or something. Maybe we enjoy life more.

Let me tie this back into the thread topic, because this is getting out of hand. I don’t want more games like Baldur’s Gate 3 that give everyone a chance to express their fantasy. That would mean a new option and a new character every time someone has a different gender or cause they believe in (of which there are infinite). Dead or Alive 6 doesn’t need gay characters in order not to be homophobic. Just because it appeals to the bodily impulses of straight men (which is something it is heavily criticized for) doesn’t mean it’s a bad game. I would rather criticize its gameplay, story, or development time than create a political shitstorm over something like titties and panties.

If you really think you are a free human being, tell everyone FUCK YOU next time they ask what pronoun you go by, and see if they still give you that job. What if I insisted that everyone call me TheSadButTrueStoryofRayMingus, TheLumberjackOfBulkRockCity, And HisNeverSlackingStribeinExploiting TheSoFarUndiscoveredAreasofTheIntentionToBodilyIntercourseFromTheOppositeSpeciesofHisKind,DuringIntakeofAllTheMentalConditionThatCouldBeDerivedFromFermentation? (shoutouts to the awesome euro techno reference) At what point should people have to just tell me “NO!!!!” ???

Because no one has time for that shit. It makes doctor’s appointments, job interviews, emergency calls, and legal proceedings take fucking forever. Nobody owes anybody anything. We don’t want to hear your entire life story and we will call you whatever we want whether you like it or not. Also, what are you supposed to call someone you hate? “Excuse me third gender they shim queer person of unspecificied orientation, but you have angered me and I wish to engage in a dangerous physical altercation right here and now.” LOL

You’re also missing my point yet again. I said no one chooses their name at birth. People have been called something against their will for millions of years and never found it oppressive or hurtful. Even if social convention changes so that you don’t get a name until you decide what it should be (something I would actually be in favor of), it doesn’t mean it’s evil and mean to just call someone Jack or Adam until they want to be known as something else. Frank Zappa named his children “Dweezil”, “Moon-Unit”, “Ahmet Emuukha Rodan”, and “Diva Muffin.” What isn’t well known about this is that he actually did this with the intention of teaching them that it doesn’t matter what you’re called in life, because people will make fun of you regardless. Either way, none of them changed their names, with the exception of marriage, (although Moon-Unit shortened it to Moon.), And they all turned out to be great human beings.

The other reason is that it’s gramatically incorrect. “They” is singular only when nothing about the person is known. Once their gender is revealed, it is not applicable anymore: “Someone was behind me. I could hear their footsteps a few feet away. I recognized them as belonging to my girlfriend. She was the only one who could sneak up on me like that. To use “they” when “they” has already been used is contradictory and redundant, so I am defending the use of traditional pronouns under linguistic grounds.

It’s ironic that the people who see this as a social issue are also doing the exact opposite as the Beatniks did, who shared their views, which was to defend language from censorship under the right of artistic free speech. They don’t fucking understand they are excluding people from the very same cause they claim to defend.